Getrag 282 5spd
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Getrag 282 5spd
The Getrag 282 was designed in Germany by Getrag and then GM had Muncie manufacture the transmission in the USA.
This is the stock 5spd transmission that bolted up to the 2.0L 8V turbo (C20GET ) in the turbo Sunbirds and turbo Grand Am cars.
It was also used very heavily in the GM V6 applications and is known to be a fairly solid gearbox.
here is some info.... http://www.rodneydickman.com/getraginfo.htm
Here is what someone had to say on another forum......
OK, you're all in the right ballpark as far as information goes, and most of what has been posted thus far is correct for the most part.
The HM-282 was introduced to replace the 4-speed Muncie in V6 equipped Fieros - true. It was also used in various other platforms as early as 87, if not before, such as the A-bodies (Celebrity, 6000), J-bodies (Cav, Sunbird), and W-bodies (GP, Grand Am, Cutlass, etc). There may have been one or two other platforms, but I'm going by memory at the moment, so you'll have to excuse me.
The transaxle was referred to as the Muncie/Getrag HM-282 5-speed (5TM40 was the "official" designation, 5-speed, transverse mount, 40 class torque handling). It was used in applications when engines with more power were installed, such as the V6 cars, the Quad4, and the 2.2L turbo found in some Sunbird GTs of the late 80s. Until 1989, the transaxle had an external clutch release arm. Starting in 1990 (I know this for sure, as I've got a 1990 Cav in my garage right now that I'm ripping apart) the slave cylinder bolts right onto the back of the bellhousing. I am not familiar with changes beyond this year and when they were implemented.
The information previously posted about the platforms that used the HM-284 was, as far as I can tell, correct. It did indeed have a very limited production run, and was implemented in a very limited number of platforms.
Now for torque handling capacity: belive it or not, the HM-284 is not worlds above the HM-282. According to the following link (not the one I was originally looking for, but you can Google it to find substantiating information) the HM-282 is capable of 200-275lb/ft, while the HM-284 is capable of 250-300lb/ft. (http://www.statikdesign.com/scratchbuil ... on_v21.PDF)
As some of you already know, I'm in the process of installing a 3.4RWD with GenII aluminum top end into my '90 Celebrity. I've chosen the HM-282 for my manual transaxle. Why would I make a "silly" move like this? Several reasons:
- The HM-282 is as common as skunk stink - it can be found in a plethora of Z24s in the boneyard, and can usually be had for around $200-$300. I just purchased a BRAND NEW unit meant for a '92-'94 GrandAm with a Quad4 which I will be swapping the bellhousing on to put behind the 3.4. I got it on eBay for $120US! The same seller has more for sale, but he's asking like $149 for them I think. Just do a search for grand am transmission, you'll see it if the auction is still going.
- There are aftermarket parts available for the HM-282 transaxle which I have yet to see for the HM-284, such as different gear sets and final drive gears, not to mention limited slip differentials with several designs to choose from. Like I said, I have yet to see any such parts for the 284.
- Cost for the HM-284 from a boneyard: I've never found one yet in the past 7 years.
- Cost for rebuild parts for a 284: last I checked, they don't exist. Apparently you are only able to send the transaxle, in it's entirety, to the manufacturer (would this be Getrag? I don't even know where you'd have to send it) and pay $2500 to get it rebuilt. If this has changed, please let me know.
All in all, I chose the Muncie/Getrag HM-282 5TM40 because, even if I do eventually grenade it, I can get a replacement as cheap as $200 and I'm up and going. And on top of that, I fully plan on installing an LSD into it.
Just so you know, I also plan on putting this transaxle behind a Cadillac Northstar motor sometime in the not-too-distant future. There's even a gentleman that's already in the midst of doing so in a Beretta. Check it out: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/ar ... php/t-4058
As for the question about why Rodney Dickman's website doesn't cover the transaxles of '89 and later - it's because his site is a Fiero site. Fiero owners aren't usually concerned with much stuff beyond '88. In '89 GM started outfitting these transaxles with electronic VSS units as opposed to cable driven (very few, of the transaxles, including the one that's in the '90 Cavalier I bought, had a combination sending unit which had BOTH cable and electronic VSS sending capabilities). It's a big hassle for a Fiero guy to covert an electronic VSS back to a cable driven unit, so they just go with a pre-'89 transaxle most times.
This is the stock 5spd transmission that bolted up to the 2.0L 8V turbo (C20GET ) in the turbo Sunbirds and turbo Grand Am cars.
It was also used very heavily in the GM V6 applications and is known to be a fairly solid gearbox.
here is some info.... http://www.rodneydickman.com/getraginfo.htm
Here is what someone had to say on another forum......
OK, you're all in the right ballpark as far as information goes, and most of what has been posted thus far is correct for the most part.
The HM-282 was introduced to replace the 4-speed Muncie in V6 equipped Fieros - true. It was also used in various other platforms as early as 87, if not before, such as the A-bodies (Celebrity, 6000), J-bodies (Cav, Sunbird), and W-bodies (GP, Grand Am, Cutlass, etc). There may have been one or two other platforms, but I'm going by memory at the moment, so you'll have to excuse me.
The transaxle was referred to as the Muncie/Getrag HM-282 5-speed (5TM40 was the "official" designation, 5-speed, transverse mount, 40 class torque handling). It was used in applications when engines with more power were installed, such as the V6 cars, the Quad4, and the 2.2L turbo found in some Sunbird GTs of the late 80s. Until 1989, the transaxle had an external clutch release arm. Starting in 1990 (I know this for sure, as I've got a 1990 Cav in my garage right now that I'm ripping apart) the slave cylinder bolts right onto the back of the bellhousing. I am not familiar with changes beyond this year and when they were implemented.
The information previously posted about the platforms that used the HM-284 was, as far as I can tell, correct. It did indeed have a very limited production run, and was implemented in a very limited number of platforms.
Now for torque handling capacity: belive it or not, the HM-284 is not worlds above the HM-282. According to the following link (not the one I was originally looking for, but you can Google it to find substantiating information) the HM-282 is capable of 200-275lb/ft, while the HM-284 is capable of 250-300lb/ft. (http://www.statikdesign.com/scratchbuil ... on_v21.PDF)
As some of you already know, I'm in the process of installing a 3.4RWD with GenII aluminum top end into my '90 Celebrity. I've chosen the HM-282 for my manual transaxle. Why would I make a "silly" move like this? Several reasons:
- The HM-282 is as common as skunk stink - it can be found in a plethora of Z24s in the boneyard, and can usually be had for around $200-$300. I just purchased a BRAND NEW unit meant for a '92-'94 GrandAm with a Quad4 which I will be swapping the bellhousing on to put behind the 3.4. I got it on eBay for $120US! The same seller has more for sale, but he's asking like $149 for them I think. Just do a search for grand am transmission, you'll see it if the auction is still going.
- There are aftermarket parts available for the HM-282 transaxle which I have yet to see for the HM-284, such as different gear sets and final drive gears, not to mention limited slip differentials with several designs to choose from. Like I said, I have yet to see any such parts for the 284.
- Cost for the HM-284 from a boneyard: I've never found one yet in the past 7 years.
- Cost for rebuild parts for a 284: last I checked, they don't exist. Apparently you are only able to send the transaxle, in it's entirety, to the manufacturer (would this be Getrag? I don't even know where you'd have to send it) and pay $2500 to get it rebuilt. If this has changed, please let me know.
All in all, I chose the Muncie/Getrag HM-282 5TM40 because, even if I do eventually grenade it, I can get a replacement as cheap as $200 and I'm up and going. And on top of that, I fully plan on installing an LSD into it.
Just so you know, I also plan on putting this transaxle behind a Cadillac Northstar motor sometime in the not-too-distant future. There's even a gentleman that's already in the midst of doing so in a Beretta. Check it out: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/ar ... php/t-4058
As for the question about why Rodney Dickman's website doesn't cover the transaxles of '89 and later - it's because his site is a Fiero site. Fiero owners aren't usually concerned with much stuff beyond '88. In '89 GM started outfitting these transaxles with electronic VSS units as opposed to cable driven (very few, of the transaxles, including the one that's in the '90 Cavalier I bought, had a combination sending unit which had BOTH cable and electronic VSS sending capabilities). It's a big hassle for a Fiero guy to covert an electronic VSS back to a cable driven unit, so they just go with a pre-'89 transaxle most times.
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Re: Getrag 282 5spd
Here is wiki info.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getrag_282
I'm pretty sure there were a number of guys with the C20GET that managed more than 275 lbft of torque.
I have to think that perhaps that is the rating of the gearbox, but it will take more than that ( just like our Getrag gearboxes )
Many consider the F16 to be rated for 160 nm which is about 120 lbft.... yet they have managed significantly more than that.
Others consider the F16 to be rated for 160 lbft.... but really nobody knows for sure as to the meaning.
We do however know the higher the number the higher the torque handling capacity.... an F40 is better than an M32 which is better than and F28 which is better than an F20/D20 which is better than an F16/D16
I'm pretty sure there were a number of guys with the C20GET that managed more than 275 lbft of torque.
I have to think that perhaps that is the rating of the gearbox, but it will take more than that ( just like our Getrag gearboxes )
Many consider the F16 to be rated for 160 nm which is about 120 lbft.... yet they have managed significantly more than that.
Others consider the F16 to be rated for 160 lbft.... but really nobody knows for sure as to the meaning.
We do however know the higher the number the higher the torque handling capacity.... an F40 is better than an M32 which is better than and F28 which is better than an F20/D20 which is better than an F16/D16
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Re: Getrag 282 5spd
Here is the 3.1L supercharged V6..... bolt pattern is different than our engine.
I remember on my C20GET I had to remove this bracket.... it attached to the top two bolts of the engine block and then the bracket attached to the top of the gearbox.
Now that I look at it.... the pattern seems very similar to the F40.
With that adapter plate that came stock on the C20GET I have to wonder if the F40 would bolt up to our engine block.
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I remember on my C20GET I had to remove this bracket.... it attached to the top two bolts of the engine block and then the bracket attached to the top of the gearbox.
Now that I look at it.... the pattern seems very similar to the F40.
With that adapter plate that came stock on the C20GET I have to wonder if the F40 would bolt up to our engine block.
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Re: Getrag 282 5spd
Based upon this pattern I was able to see that the Getrag 282 has the same pattern as the F40.... I posted info on the updated F40 subject.
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Re: Getrag 282 5spd
Given the name of Getrag 282 and some similarities to the case of the F28 I'm wondering if perhaps the 28 in the 282 is related to the F28
Yes it's 5 spd instead of 6 spd.... but perhaps they have some interchangeable parts.
Yes it's 5 spd instead of 6 spd.... but perhaps they have some interchangeable parts.
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Re: Getrag 282 5spd
ive thougt about getting a sunbird with a c20ne(2.0 sohc) and the getrag 282 adn swapping them into my lanos. could make for a cool project, one day
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Re: Getrag 282 5spd
Sunbird came with the Isuzu 5spd.... the only time it came with the Getrag 282 was with the C20GET 2.0L 8V turbo.
Isuzu is a dog based upon what others have said in the past.... barely able to handle the power of the naturally aspirated 2.0L 8V
Isuzu is a dog based upon what others have said in the past.... barely able to handle the power of the naturally aspirated 2.0L 8V
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Re: Getrag 282 5spd
wow chris good info, glad you said that. ill pass unless i find a gt then. thank you!
Re: Getrag 282 5spd
Hey is the isuzu box the same as wat was in my family2 8v sohc?? if so was verry reasonable box tore many tyres down to the stitches.. but back to a Q my deawoo is gettin grumpy changin into 1st some times at rest the clutch slave has oil in the boot (is this normal) and sumtimes feels weird in the pedal is this a slave isue or the clutch if its the slave i want to fix it before the clutch starts to go??? not familiar with un cabeled clutches