Gasoline prices

Audacity Racing · Post by **Audacity Racing** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:06 am

the woo will run with 110 just fine, no it isn't leaded.

the 120 and 125 are leaded... those are 3.15 a gallon and if i had my turbos up and running i'd by god use it!

tango · Post by **tango** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:31 pm

You Americans beginning to sound like Europeans now! Come on chaps...it's time to go diesel-motoring! And while you're at it, break out the scones and tea!

Oh, to answer the question above, it apparently seems to be leaded fuel. I was in the middle of saying it wasn't but then I did some reading (yes, that old practice). Have a look at this link:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question90.htm

And yes indeed, if your car is designed and intended to use 87 octane then you are wasting money putting 110 in there. If you advance your timing, increase compression ratio, add a turbo, or have excessive carbon buildup inside the engine, then using higher octane fuel would be the way to go to reduce/prevent knocking in this same car. Buying a budget car is only half as effective if you have to put the most expensive gas in it all the time. So there IS some sense behind the madness after all.

Audacity Racing · Post by **Audacity Racing** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:46 pm

the 110 here is NOT leaded fuel... it is not classified as a lead fuel additive mixture.

you can buy it at the "raceway" gas stations here as well. if it was leaded, it couldn't leagally be pump gas (in the state of tennessee anyway)....

now, if it was 110vp c-16.... it would be leaded... and that usually runs 5.50 a gallon regularly around here. when nopi comes to town the spike it to nearly 7 dollars... but people buy it.

CHNDROSE · Post by **CHNDROSE** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:45 pm

I was watching the gas stations on Capital Blvd in Raleigh, NC change their signs to $3.29 and up yesterday so I pulled in and got a deal at another station, only $2.97 9/10! What a savings!

I cannot wait for the bubble to pop, sending crude back down to $30 a barrel. Until then I am checking out the bus routes.

kinkyllama · Post by **kinkyllama** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:10 pm

Audacityracing wrote:the 110 here is NOT leaded fuel... it is not classified as a lead fuel additive mixture.

you can buy it at the "raceway" gas stations here as well. if it was leaded, it couldn't leagally be pump gas (in the state of tennessee anyway)....

now, if it was 110vp c-16.... it would be leaded... and that usually runs 5.50 a gallon regularly around here. when nopi comes to town the spike it to nearly 7 dollars... but people buy it.

hmm.. Ive had a hard time finding octane above like 103 thats unleaded and from what ive seen when its unleaded its much cheaper. By running 100 octane over 91/92 id gain about 10hp at 6-7psi and 17ish hp at 12-12.5psi. I wouldnt mind gaining another 17 from running 110. I read that howstuff works article but it didnt completly answer my question. What is needed to run leaded fuel? Is it worst for your engine? (i.e. will it worsen your engine life and whatnot)

Back on topic... the most ive seen gas is $3.09 for 87

Audacity Racing · Post by **Audacity Racing** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:25 pm

leaded usually offers better lubrication properties and is not bad for the engine... it makes for a heavier exhaust gas (note the build-up)...

the problem with it is all enviromentally related

kinkyllama · Post by **kinkyllama** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:42 pm

Audacityracing wrote:leaded usually offers better lubrication properties and is not bad for the engine... it makes for a heavier exhaust gas (note the build-up)...

the problem with it is all enviromentally related

I found 113 leaded near my house for $4.50 a gallon (err a month ago.. ) still a hell of alot cheaper when most 100-110 unleaded is 4.75+

MMamdouh · Post by **MMamdouh** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:04 pm

i noticed that our gas prices are the lowest and i thought that was a good thing but now i knew the reason for that... WE ARE BUYING CRAP!

no kidding, our gas is full of crap and their is nothing we can do about it... i was flushing my fuel filter today and i keept the fuel that was inside the filter in a clear bottle of ketchup and i was horrified when i saw how dirty it was (last filter flush was just 2 months ago).

here is the pic and you can judge yourselvs:

this is octan 90 that is supposed to be light green in color but it now looks like swamp mud, i will post another pic for the bottle after few hours so that the dirt settles at the bottom and you will see the difference.

now having said that i thing i will modify my maintenance schedual so that the fuel filter replacment is just 1/2 of what is stated in the manual and filter flushes have to be mandatory and also using an injector cleaner product every 5000 Kms or so.

MMamdouh

kinkyllama · Post by **kinkyllama** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:47 pm

mmamdouh wrote:i noticed that our gas prices are the lowest and i thought that was a good thing but now i knew the reason for that... WE ARE BUYING CRAP!

no kidding, our gas is full of crap and their is nothing we can do about it... i was flushing my fuel filter today and i keept the fuel that was inside the filter in a clear bottle of ketchup and i was horrified when i saw how dirty it was (last filter flush was just 2 months ago).

here is the pic and you can judge yourselvs:

this is octan 90 that is supposed to be light green in color but it now looks like swamp mud, i will post another pic for the bottle after few hours so that the dirt settles at the bottom and you will see the difference.

now having said that i thing i will modify my maintenance schedual so that the fuel filter replacment is just 1/2 of what is stated in the manual and filter flushes have to be mandatory and also using an injector cleaner product every 5000 Kms or so.

MMamdouh

lanos2001 · Post by **lanos2001** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:57 pm

looks like deluded oil thats never been changed.

how the hell do they get away with selling that crap without it being inspected???

nick

jurupa · Post by **jurupa** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:27 am

CHNDROSE wrote: I cannot wait for the bubble to pop, sending crude back down to $30 a barrel. Until then I am checking out the bus routes.

I doubt that the price per barrel will ever get back to $30. I also don't think there is much of a bubble either. Becuase there is a growing demand in China for gas. Also the demand for gas in general has grown over the years as well. If the price per barrel does come down I think high $50's will be the lowest it will go.

Where I live the cheapest gas I have seen is $3.05 for the cheap stuff. I have no complaints really about the gas price actually. Ya I winned when it first happened, but I am cool with it now. The primary reason why I am actually happy for $3.00 gass is that there are less SUV's on the road which is a good thing where I live. Plus gas is much closer to the cost of living now.

MMamdouh · Post by **MMamdouh** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:01 pm

36 hours and the damn thing is not clear yet

the bottle still looks dark and some of the heavy crap preseptated on the bottom of the bottle, i managed to take some in a contaner to see what it is and here it is:

those deposits are not hard or rough... seems pretty much like mud or so, anyways my fuel system is beeing abused no doubt about it.

MMamdouh

CHNDROSE · Post by **CHNDROSE** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:46 pm

jurupa wrote:I doubt that the price per barrel will ever get back to $30. I also don't think there is much of a bubble either. Becuase there is a growing demand in China for gas. Also the demand for gas in general has grown over the years as well. If the price per barrel does come down I think high $50's will be the lowest it will go.

Actually history and current trends do not support your argument. While the Chinese and Indian expansions have aided in some of the temporary upward trend most of it comes from those dealing in oil futures. They usually go on what they perceive to be the scarcity of resources. While this is a pain in the butt now, it actually helps even the overall trend out when one takes in the bigger picture.

The US is facing additional problems such as the lack of infrastructure to support a rapid increase for oil and gasoline products. Refineries have been strangled by EPA codes and new refineries have been blocked by local and state governments. This "Not In My Back Yard" attitude has greatly hindered other energy advances as well such as Nuclear Power. Current refineries have been pushing 95% since last year. At the beginning of the year one refinery shutdown for good due to the fact that they would no longer make a profit if they complied with the newer EPA rules that took effect.

As for all of the experts out there, remember that they also forcasted the following:
that we would run out of oil (not going to happen in the next several hundred years (oil sand, shale, evolving technologies allowing us to pump where we currently cannot reach inexpensively))
that oil, per barrel, would be $400 in the year 2000 (I bought gas at .79 a gallon in 2000 so that certainly did not happen

Once the political situations in the Middle East simmer down and the current oil producing countries adjust their suppy to meet future needs, we will see a downward trend, probably settling to a historic median price near $20 a barrel (adjusted for today's dollars). For the next few years we can probably expect around $40 or $50 per barrel to be the average. Of course the same things impacting the price now can have an impact then too. Imagine if another large storm hits the same area in the US a week or so from now.

Also remember as technology advances other options become available. Right now oil from shale is VERY expensive but a future breakthrough could turn that around and the US is sitting on a huge stockpile of it. We have seen this happen with the technology in which oil sand is harvested for use (Canada). Not to mention that breakthroughs in usable materials can lighten vehicles and decrease the need for additional fuel. Plus with the push of hybrid vehicles and a rapidly evolving technology that they are based on will also decrease the overall need for gasoline with vehicles.

Brian5475E · Post by **Brian5475E** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:19 pm

Umm I don't know what country your in but in the US gas hasn't been $.79 since I started driving back in 1990

lanos2001 · Post by **lanos2001** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:31 pm

when i got back to the states in 2000 the lowest i saw it was like $.99
it could've been around $.79 before that. just depends on where you live really or if you get that lucky. right now i'm glad i'm in Oklahoma for once b/c gas is like $2.79 right now but i've heard of places being like $4 up north.

nick